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Lan Wang
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Posted - 2015.10.22 08:08:13 -
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no thanks, just a terrible idea that benefits only f2p players
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Lan Wang
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Posted - 2015.10.22 10:22:54 -
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erg cz wrote:Even worse idea - after 6 months PLEX can not be sold or converted to aurum. It can only be used to get more game time for account, holding it.
Fixed that for ya bud
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Lan Wang
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Posted - 2015.10.22 10:24:13 -
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Ix Method wrote:Heh, this would be hilarious.
what would be hilarious? the amount of people quiting the game so f2p players can play or the amount of rmt that would happen because of it?
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Lan Wang
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Posted - 2015.10.22 14:03:15 -
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Boom Laison wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Ix Method wrote:Heh, this would be hilarious. what would be hilarious? the amount of people quiting the game so f2p players can play or the amount of rmt that would happen because of it? Couple of speculators rage quited would be nice, yes. Rmt cutted off due to time limit is also nice, yes. You stop being so *** would be also nice. PLEX speculations together with AUR (ship skins, anyone? ) pressure made PLEX prices through the roof. So 1. CCP getting less real money (2xPLEXes for the 1,2 B ship last year vs 1xPLEX for the very same ship now) 2. PLEX dependant people mass leaving game, so less content for those, who stay. This: Quote: after 6 months PLEX can not be sold or converted to aurum. It can only be used to get more game time for account, holding it.
is a solution. Just put 3 months instead of 6.
what exactly do you think this idea would achieve? do you understand how supply and demand works, the market would flood with stockpiles of plex, drive the price down to the magic carebear freeloader price of 300mil for a while then once that stockpile is gone the price would soar or people will just buy up everything on the market and add to there own accounts.
Its not a solution because there is no problem with the current system, the problem is that isk is too easy to make
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Lan Wang
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Posted - 2015.10.22 15:50:14 -
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we should also make ice melt, minerals deteriorate, loyalty points decline as time goes on too, hell lets make npc tax increase the longer you stay in an npc corp, or is that too harsh? 
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Lan Wang
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Posted - 2015.10.23 10:41:52 -
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erg cz wrote:Iain Cariaba wrote: Most often I'm buying PLEX when I get a windfall of cash...
This suggestion would eliminate my ability to play the game entirely at times.
So you "ability to play" depends on rare situations, when you "get a windfall of cash"? And you suggest here to "figure out how to make more ISK"? No comment.
the question here is, why should someone elses investment be destroyed to benefit you? plex is gold not a loaf of bread
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Lan Wang
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Posted - 2015.10.23 11:57:16 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Iain Cariaba wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:Perceived Problem:
Excess hoarding of PLEX and market manipulation
Recommended Solution:
PLEX can be stored indefinitely if never offered for sale. Once offered for sale in game a 6 month expiry timer starts to count down.
Advantages
6 months gives scope for PLEX speculation and trading whilst preventing long term stockpiling of PLEX acquired from the market So if I buy a PLEX and have some RL situations come up where I'm unable to play the game for 6+ months, which has happened to me before, then I lose out on the money I spent for the PLEX because you feel entitled to play the game for free? How about no. The game shouldn't be based on some player having some speculated RL issue where they can't log in for 6 months. Does it happen? Possible. Would it be unfortunate? Yes. Is it something the game should be coded around? Foook No. And to be honest. If you were that guy, I would hope that you could petition your case and get it resolved to your satisfaction. This whole "What about the guy that gets trapped in a cave/swamp/hospital for XX time?" argument needs to just go away. Not because I'm a hardasssociopath, but because for the good of the many the game shouldn't be coded around niche arguments. For you personally - just accept that because (what ever you do for six + months) is a thing, then stockpiling plex isn't a valid game option for you. Invest in something else. Sorry dude but the vast majority of the worlds population doesn't disappear for 6+ months.
its a completely valid game option for him if he can disappear for 6+ months because the plex value fluctuates massively over that period of time and his investment has proved to be a good one. the game also should not be based on people who want things for cheap so they can play for free.
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Lan Wang
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Posted - 2015.10.23 12:48:16 -
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Bobb Bobbington wrote: I have a better question, why do people think the plex market is getting manipulated? Think about it, something like 1,000 plex changes hands in Jita every day. That's more than one trillion isk. I suppose if the largest groups banded together they could stir the pot for a few days, but eventually the sheer torrent of supply and demand would equalize it and make it unprofitable. Plex is created by players, and only consumed by players. You can't cut off the supply, or refuse to use it. It's mostly a free market. The price is set mostly by supply and demand, and if you want to change the price, you have to change one of those. Changing the supply would involve lowering the cost to get plex, killing CCP's revenue. Changing the demand would be lowering the amount of plex consumed, also hurting CCP's income, or simply when plex gets to a point high enough where supply and demand stabilize. The people that stockpile large stores of plex are, as I understand it, speculating that the price will go up, i.e. that demand is more than supply. Except for the recent dip, this idea has been mostly true. When the demand starts to lessen from the increased cost, the price will stop going up.
You shouldn't just change a free market because you believe that a price is too high. That's the price set by the free market, where supply=demand. If you purposefully change it, then its no longer a free market.
exactly this.
The price is high because people are paying for it, if people didnt pay for it the price would drop till people did.
Also how do you put the value of an expiring plex that someone may want to convert to aurum, or make a character transfer?
"oh look sorry i cant do a character transfer because there is no full plexes on the market"
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Lan Wang
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Posted - 2015.10.23 13:11:20 -
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character bazaar trading is a thing so you can argue it is gameplay
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Lan Wang
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Posted - 2015.10.23 14:47:49 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Lan Wang wrote:character bazaar trading is a thing so you can argue it is gameplay No I can't. The buying and selling of eve characters is a RL intrusion into the new eden alternate reality. It's a RL tranasaction using game currency. Character ownership is a RL thing, not a game thing. If my character could use it's vast quantities of isk to purchase control of your character in game and all you could do is pay the subscription and watch what my character does with your character, then it would be game play. https://xkcd.com/849/
character bazaar is part of the game, people make income from it so its just the same as me using rl money to purchase plex to sell on the market, which is also a rl transaction, so can we just remove plex too?
all your doing is reducing the use for plex to satisfy the free to play attitude which is also losing ccp income and also affect the gameplay of many other people who actually provide ccp with rl income instead of freeloading
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